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Chester Goldenfeld's avatar

Hey Brandon, it's really cool to see you are on to metamodernism. I've been following/participating in the movement for some time. I came to it via Buddhism and meditation which led me to metamodern spirituality, and eventually into the wider metamodern conversation. I agree that Egan was, in many ways, metamodern before his time, which is why I've found his frameworks and your writing so useful.

I have some thoughts on how Egan's frameworks (and particulary the ironic) relates to metamodernism that I think you will find interesting (as per footnote #4). I think that roughly Egan's philosophic maps to modernity, and the ironic maps to postmodernity. So then what 'way of knowing' makes one a native metamodernist? My hunch is that it is actually a revivification and reintegration of the full stack of the ways of knowing. Let me give an example. It's quite possible to get to philosophic or ironic and live from there while your earlier ways of knowing become dry and stale. And it's another thing entirely to get to ironic, see the value of all of the earlier ways of knowing, and continue to actively cultivate and synergize them in a journey of continuous inner and outer discovery. That's the metamodern view. The metamodern stance is sometimes described as "sincerely ironic". The "sincere" here is emphasizing that you are still sincerely a romantic, and a philosopher, and a child inside. Without the sincerity of the earlier ways of knowing being very well and alive, you're just an ironic (postmodernist), and that's no fun.

Put another way, there has been a sad tendency in our culture for later ways of knowing to dominate earlier ones. In the classroom, it looks like teachers trying to shove forms of understanding that kids aren't ready for down their throat. In culture, it's modernists like the new atheists using philosophic understanding to attack the traditional mythic/romantic religious believers. Then the ironic postmodernists attacked the modernists for foolishly believing they had any right to make a truth claim (hypocrisy much?) The metamodernist comes along and says "guys stop fighting, there is truth and goodness and beauty in every way of knowing, lets help everybody learn and grow and work to actually build a better world".

So to sum it up, a robust metamodern understanding has gone on the journey to ironic, looks back and sees the journey it's been on, and then re-accesses and integrates the different ways of knowing. That's why the metamodern conversation includes Zen masters, artists, poets, comedians, engineers, philosophers, yogis and more. These people have the full stack of ways of knowing but they are also living powerfully from many places in the stack, not just the top of it.

I'd love to keep riffing and see what other connections we can make. But for now I'll just say thanks! Nearly a year ago your blog introduced me to Egan and what you've shared has influenced my teaching practice a good deal. I am even sharing Egan with other teachers at my school now. I've been meaning to leave more comments! I'm very curious to hear your thoughts, and I'm curious to know if you've connected your ideas to some other important metamodern thinkers on education like Iain McGilchrist or Zak Stein. Cheers!

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Andrew Wright's avatar

Ha, you're just now realizing how big of a nerd you are? I think that you are pretty obviously a very big nerd, and I mean that in as positive a way as can be said.

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